Today's Passage
In this passage, Thucydides continues his archaeological method, using physical evidence and logical reasoning to reconstruct the past.
Crawley Translation (1910)
And from this expedition we may infer the character of earlier enterprises. Now Mycenæ may have been a small place, and many of the towns of that age may appear comparatively insignificant, but no exact observer would therefore feel justified in rejecting the estimate given by the poets and by tradition of the magnitude of the armament. For I suppose if Lacedaemon were to become desolate, and the temples and the foundations of the public buildings were left, that as time went on there would be a strong disposition with posterity to refuse to accept her fame as a true exponent of her power. And yet they occupy two-fifths of Peloponnese and lead the whole, not to speak of their numerous allies without. Still, as the city is neither built in a compact form nor adorned with magnificent temples and public edifices, but composed of villages after the old fashion of Hellas, there would be an impression of inadequacy. Whereas, if Athens were to suffer the same misfortune, I suppose that any inference from the appearance presented to the eye would make her power to have been twice as great as it is. We have therefore no right to be sceptical, nor to content ourselves with an inspection of a town to the exclusion of a consideration of its power; but we may safely conclude that the armament in question surpassed all before it, as it fell short of modern efforts; if we can here also accept the testimony of Homer’s poems, in which, without allowing for the exaggeration which a poet would feel himself licensed to employ, we can see that it was far from equalling ours. He has represented it as consisting of twelve hundred vessels; the Boeotian complement of each ship being a hundred and twenty men, that of the ships of Philoctetes fifty. By this, I conceive, he meant to convey the maximum and the minimum complement: at any rate, he does not specify the amount of any others in his catalogue of the ships. That they were all rowers as well as warriors we see from his account of the ships of Philoctetes, in which all the men at the oar are bowmen. Now it is improbable that many supernumeraries sailed, if we except the kings and high officers; especially as they had to cross the open sea with munitions of war, in ships, moreover, that had no decks, but were equipped in the old piratical fashion. So that if we strike the average of the largest and smallest ships, the number of those who sailed will appear inconsiderable, representing, as they did, the whole force of Hellas. And this was due not so much to scarcity of men as of money. Difficulty of subsistence made the invaders reduce the numbers of the army to a point at which it might live on the country during the prosecution of the war. Even after the victory they obtained on their arrival—and a victory there must have been, or the fortifications of the naval camp could never have been built—there is no indication of their whole force having been employed; on the contrary, they seem to have turned to cultivation of the Chersonese and to piracy from want of supplies. This was what really enabled the Trojans to keep the field for ten years against them; the dispersion of the enemy making them always a match for the detachment left behind. If they had brought plenty of supplies with them, and had persevered in the war without scattering for piracy and agriculture, they would have easily defeated the Trojans in the field, since they could hold their own against them with the division on service. In short, if they had stuck to the siege, the capture of Troy would have cost them less time and less trouble. But as want of money proved the weakness of earlier expeditions, so from the same cause even the one in question, more famous than its predecessors, may be pronounced on the evidence of what it effected to have been inferior to its renown and to the current opinion about it formed under the tuition of the poets.
Modern Translation
From this expedition we can draw conclusions about earlier military ventures. Now, Mycenae may have been a modest settlement, and many cities from that era might seem relatively insignificant today, but no careful observer should therefore dismiss the accounts given by poets and tradition regarding the size of that famous force. Consider this: if Sparta were to be abandoned, leaving only its temples and building foundations visible, I imagine that future generations would find it hard to believe the city's power matched its reputation. Yet the Spartans control two-fifths of the Peloponnese and lead the entire region, not to mention their numerous allies beyond. However, since their city lacks a concentrated urban center and impressive temples or public buildings, consisting instead of scattered villages in the ancient Greek manner, it would create an impression of weakness. Conversely, if Athens suffered the same fate, I suspect that judging by its physical remains alone would lead people to estimate its power as twice what it actually was. Therefore, we shouldn't be skeptical or judge a city's strength merely by its appearance; we must consider its actual power. We can reasonably conclude that the expedition to Troy exceeded all previous ones, though it fell short of modern campaigns—if we can trust Homer's poetry, which, even accounting for poetic exaggeration, shows it was far inferior to our current forces. Homer describes a fleet of twelve hundred ships, with the Boeotian vessels carrying one hundred twenty men each, and Philoctetes' ships fifty men each. I believe he meant these figures to represent the maximum and minimum crew sizes, since he doesn't specify numbers for other ships in his catalog. That all crew members served as both rowers and fighters is clear from his description of Philoctetes' ships, where all the oarsmen are archers. It's unlikely many non-combatants sailed with them, except for kings and senior officers, especially since they had to cross open water with military equipment in undecked ships built in the old piratical style. If we calculate the average between the largest and smallest crews, the total force appears surprisingly small for an expedition representing all of Greece. This limitation stemmed not from lack of manpower but from insufficient funds. Supply difficulties forced the invaders to reduce their army to a size that could sustain itself by foraging during the campaign. Even after their initial victory upon landing—and they must have won, otherwise they couldn't have built fortifications for their naval base—there's no evidence they deployed their entire force. Instead, they apparently dispersed to farm the Chersonese peninsula and engage in piracy due to supply shortages. This dispersal actually enabled the Trojans to resist for ten years; the Greeks' divided forces meant the Trojans only faced whatever contingent remained on duty. Had the Greeks brought adequate supplies and maintained their siege without scattering for raids and farming, they would have easily defeated the Trojans in open battle, since even their reduced force could match them. Simply put, if they had concentrated on the siege, capturing Troy would have required far less time and effort. But just as financial constraints weakened earlier expeditions, the same limitation made even this famous campaign—despite its legendary status—inferior to its reputation and to the popular perception shaped by the poets' accounts.
Historical Context
In this passage, Thucydides continues his archaeological method, using physical evidence and logical reasoning to reconstruct the past. He examines the Trojan War expedition as described by Homer, comparing it to contemporary military capabilities. The historian challenges readers to look beyond surface appearances when evaluating power, using Sparta and Athens as examples. He argues that the legendary Greek expedition to Troy, while surpassing earlier ventures, was actually limited by logistical and financial constraints rather than manpower. This analysis serves Thucydides' larger purpose of demonstrating that the Peloponnesian War represents the greatest conflict in Greek history, surpassing even the mythical Trojan War. His rational, evidence-based approach to understanding the past establishes his historical methodology.
Key Themes
Annotations & References
Archaeological Method
Thucydides pioneered using physical remains and logical deduction to reconstruct historical events, moving beyond mythological accounts. His comparison of Sparta and Athens demonstrates how archaeological evidence can be misleading without considering other factors of power.
Learn more →Spartan Urban Organization
Sparta famously lacked monumental architecture and city walls, consisting of four villages (obai). This reflected Spartan values prioritizing military prowess over architectural display, contrasting sharply with Athens' impressive public buildings.
Learn more →Homer's Catalog of Ships
The Catalog of Ships in Iliad Book 2 lists the Greek forces that sailed to Troy. Thucydides analyzes these numbers rationally, treating Homer as a historical source while acknowledging poetic exaggeration.
Learn more →Ancient Greek Naval Warfare
Early Greek ships were pentekontors (50-oared vessels) without decks, where rowers also served as warriors. This dual-purpose crew system limited carrying capacity for supplies and non-combatants.
Learn more →Parallel Ancient Sources
Homer: Iliad (Book 2.494-759)
The Catalog of Ships provides the source material Thucydides analyzes, listing Greek forces and ship numbers for the Trojan expedition.
Read passage →Herodotus: Histories (Book 7.184-187)
Herodotus calculates Xerxes' invasion force size using similar analytical methods, showing how historians estimated ancient army sizes from ship complements.
Read passage →Pausanias: Description of Greece (Book 3.3.1-2)
Describes Sparta's village-like structure and lack of magnificent buildings, confirming Thucydides' observations about the city's modest appearance.
Read passage →Discussion Questions
- How does Thucydides' analysis of archaeological evidence challenge our assumptions about evaluating historical civilizations? What modern examples might parallel his Sparta/Athens comparison?
- What does this passage reveal about Thucydides' methodology as a historian? How does he balance skepticism toward sources with extracting useful information?
- Why might Thucydides emphasize financial constraints rather than heroic narratives in explaining the Trojan War's duration? What does this suggest about his view of historical causation?
- How does the contrast between appearance and reality in evaluating Sparta and Athens relate to broader themes in Thucydides' work about power and perception?